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Kendel · Jun 10, 2009, 05:54 PM // 17:54

I think Anet need to do absolutely nothing and that people should look at what they're actually buying. Yes he's an asshole for doing it, he never forced you to click accept though. If you don't assume everyone is out to scam you and make damn sure you check trade you deserve everything you get.

sosycpsycho · Jun 10, 2009, 06:27 PM // 18:27

its the same as the middleman scam. Where one guy says WTB: Stupid Item Nobody Has 140e! and then another guy is trying to sell same one for 100e

it saddens me to think that people buy it trying to play the "middleman" when these two people could have easily talked to each other and made a sell, if it was not a scam.
I think the real problem is a/nets policy on Scammers is ill defined. in the case of what you have there is not much to be done. But I everyday see very obvious scams occurring in open chat, and honestly there should be no defense for people who do these things and much of the problem could be fixed if they would added some better reporting features.

Floski · Jun 10, 2009, 06:34 PM // 18:34

That's not a scam, that's you fulfilling the role of a retailer.

pinguinius · Jun 10, 2009, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by sosycpsycho

its the same as the middleman scam. Where one guy says WTB: Stupid Item Nobody Has 140e! and then another guy is trying to sell same one for 100e

it saddens me to think that people buy it trying to play the "middleman" when these two people could have easily talked to each other and made a sell, if it was not a scam.
I think the real problem is a/nets policy on Scammers is ill defined. in the case of what you have there is not much to be done. But I everyday see very obvious scams occurring in open chat, and honestly there should be no defense for people who do these things and much of the problem could be fixed if they would added some better reporting features.

Uh, what the hell are you talking about? No, this is nothing like that. This is a guy advertising for an item, and putting up a less valuable item that looks like the item advertised. But that's all moot anyway because in this thread nobody got scammed.

Also I don't know what seedy back alleys of Guild Wars you patrol, but I never see "obvious scams," I only see people spamming their misguided hearts out trying to sell/buy things for prices no one will ever go for.

Martin Alvito · Jun 10, 2009, 07:03 PM // 19:03

How is this not a scam?

Functionally, the player is not selling you the keg. He's selling you the the right to consume (or resell) the remaining uses in the keg.

If he's trying to sell you one use at the well-accepted market price of 50 uses, he's scamming. You'd call selling 50 spiked eggnogs and putting 1 in the trade window a scam, right?

Just because the 50 use item and the 1 use item are labeled the same does not absolve this guy of scamming.

batno_mercy · Jun 10, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Kendel

I think Anet need to do absolutely nothing and that people should look at what they're actually buying.

I lol'd. Anet doing anything? come on, this is GW!

AmbientMelody · Jun 10, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Technically speaking, it's not a scam since you buy what you buy. Pay attention to what you are buying, mate, people like that are everywhere (especially outside virtual life if you get the point). It would be a scam if on item trade window it clearly stated it's item Y but after successful transaction you would get item X. Then, it would involve use of some kinds of hacks, not a foul play and would deserve Anet action.

PS. Just ask yourself why in 'report' button there is no such a sub-option as 'scam'.

Johny bravo · Jun 10, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Hm... they could change their name color to prevent that...
- 50 uses : Gold
- 49..25 : Silver
- 24..1 uses : Cooper.
Hm... I wonder if items can change their names like that...

I am tired of the whole world catering to the lowest common denominator, or in this case those who don't pay attention.

We have all done it, I miscalculated when selling broken stacks but I haven't asked ANET to install a calculator in the trade window.

If you are smart enough to check, then it is your fault. You weren't scammed you were careless.

On a side note I feel the same way about warning labels for ridiculous stuff such as Hair dryers - do not use in shower. Seriously if you are using a hairdryer in the shower you should probably be removed from the gene pool anyway

paddymew · Jun 10, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

I wouldn't say 100%.

I've made mistakes when putting things into the trade window before. For example, I had several Charr Salvage Kits in pre-searing. One had only one use left, but I had three full ones. Someone wanted to buy a full one. I put the near-empty one up for trade, but caught the mistake as soon as I'd pressed submit offer. Changed to the full kit, and everyone went home happy. But it's perfectly possible to make mistakes like this and not catch them -- and have the other person think you're trying to scam.

I'll agree that the vast majority of problem trades come from someone trying to take advantage, but not all.

A scam is, by definition, when someone tries to trick someone else into doing a deal that is worse than what they agreed upon. If it's a mistake, it is NOT a scam, it's a mistake. You don't say that dogs don't bark because your cat didn't... :P

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 10, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

PS. Just ask yourself why in 'report' button there is no such a sub-option as 'scam'.

Ummm.. Look again.

But yeah, This is another case (aren't they all) of "PAY ATTENTION TO THE TRADE WINDOW AND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM(S) IN IT!" If you're expecting 50 uses from the keg your buying, make use it says "50 uses remaining." (or however it's worded in the item description)

nkuvu · Jun 11, 2009, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by paddymew

A scam is, by definition, when someone tries to trick someone else into doing a deal that is worse than what they agreed upon. If it's a mistake, it is NOT a scam, it's a mistake. You don't say that dogs don't bark because your cat didn't... :P

My point is that looking in the trade window, seeing a nearly empty keg, then screaming "OMG scammer!" is missing the possibility that it was just a mistake. Even if the trade had been completed, there's still a possibility it was a mistake.

But people would still call it a "scam."

Targren · Jun 11, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Floski

That's not a scam, that's you fulfilling the role of a retailer.

When they do it in the same district, obviously ignoring one another? The "buyer" conveniently ignoring that someone is selling EXACTLY what he wants for 40e less than he expected to pay?

Riiight...

Stolen Souls · Jun 11, 2009, 02:17 PM // 14:17

I don't really see it as a scam. You wanted to buy a keg, he was selling a keg. Unless it was made clear that you wanted one with 50 uses, or he said he was selling one with 50 uses, you got what you paid for...a keg. Just one of those times where you have to check before accepting.

The Scorpion Knight · Jun 11, 2009, 03:18 PM // 15:18

New items cause for new scams, thanks for the heads up though.

poasiods · Jun 11, 2009, 05:27 PM // 17:27

This is a scam. The guy should know that anyone would reasonably expect a full keg of ale instead of a keg with only one use left. Yeah, no one said it, but it goes against the general public expectation and clearly has intent to deceive. Whisper the seller, and if he/she doesn't respond or says something like, "lmao retard," Anet/Support his ass. Imagine a guy selling you a car that he knows will die after one week's use for 4,000 dollars without mentioning anything. No, you didn't ask, but both of you knew you were expecting a car that would last way more than 1 week. Otherwise, it's the seller's duty to inform the buyer.

If I recall correctly, I do remember seeing someone post here about writing to support about a leecher during a run. Apparently, he got a response saying that the leecher was temporarily banned.

Burst Cancel · Jun 11, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I guess people need to start putting up disclaimers on their sell spam. "ITEMS ARE SOLD AS-IS, WITH NO EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES FOR FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE."

And here I thought that was pretty much the default condition.

talon994 · Jun 11, 2009, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Its your fault for not looking at it....common sense

Hanging Man · Jun 11, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Yeah always make sure you check the trade window
I got this req 10 dwarven axe I think, and didn't even notice it wasn't max damage.
DUH

Massive Impulsa · Jun 11, 2009, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Anet Shouldnt use time on modding stuff like this, just use common sense...

Anet have better things to do..

Arkantos · Jun 11, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

I wouldn't say 100%.

I've made mistakes when putting things into the trade window before. For example, I had several Charr Salvage Kits in pre-searing. One had only one use left, but I had three full ones. Someone wanted to buy a full one. I put the near-empty one up for trade, but caught the mistake as soon as I'd pressed submit offer. Changed to the full kit, and everyone went home happy. But it's perfectly possible to make mistakes like this and not catch them -- and have the other person think you're trying to scam.

I'll agree that the vast majority of problem trades come from someone trying to take advantage, but not all.

There's a difference between a scam and an honest mistake.

Anyways, depending on how he advertised it, I wouldn't call this a scam. If he said he was selling a keg and he sold you a keg, then you bought what he was advertising. If he said he was selling you a full keg and he sold you one with less than 50 uses, then he scammed you. But as others have said, if you use common sense you won't get scammed.